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supremz - Group: Member - Total Posts: 1604
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Posted on: 01/11/21 11:26PM

pugsaremydrugs:
the quintessential hentai song is seflish high heels from that undress your succubloli video in my findings. what else have you found?

You're asking someone with some very vanilla (and extremely dated) tastes in the world of hentai for a high quality soundtrack and VA? Well, I had to really search through my mental collection of series to come up with something that would OBJECTIVELY suffice, and the only example that met all the criteria would be... Bible Black. The exception would be ecchi/harem softcore series. They have a lot of good (and popular) compositions.

Most newer hentai was discovered by me thru this site, so it would be kind of redundant for me to mention them, but, to put it another way, if you're the kind of person who already doesn't like the stories and soundtracks to hentai, then there probably isn't much that anyone can recommend that will change your mind. This isn't helped by the fact that most of them have muzak/ambient to go with the moaning and "squeezing a tube of toothpaste" ejaculation SFX; not to mention, I don't know how high the overlap exists between mainstream seiyuu and pornographic, but my guess is you won't find many celebrities in the latter, unless it's a really big title. Indeed, there don't seem to be any OST's to any hentai that I have listened to independent of its series.

I vaguely recall some rumor that a lot of seiyuu get their start in ecchi/hentai, but don't know if that's true. Some live action performers do porn before they score a big role, at least in the States, but it would take a lot of dedication to stay in the adult industry. Most of them have higher ambitions.

Anyway, some of my favorite hentai- hit-or-miss- in no particular order:

Ojou-sama Wa H Ga Osuki
Princess Knight Catue
Love is The Number of Keys/Ai wa Kagi no Kazu Dake (avoid the dub)
I Love You
Taboo Charming Mother

All of which had very engaging stories and BGM to me, but that doesn't mean it will for you.

My favorite ecchi series that have much better music/scenario/dialogue, again, in no particular order:

Love Hina
Ikki Tousen
To Love RU
Kiss X Sis
Ladies VS. Butlers!

Anyway, the list could go on, but I can't think of any more examples. Point is, everyone's tastes differ. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go shitpost on /x/ and then go into hibernation after typing this long, rambling post to the point of exhaustion.



Rittless - Group: Member - Total Posts: 3
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Posted on: 01/12/21 04:12AM

I find both of them absolutely intolerable, with the only exceptions being fetish material in both being much more palatable, though that may only be a combination of the lower bars to jump over when you're targeting a specific audience, and also the fact that, for American porn, kink porn actors have a bigger chance of actually being into what they're doing and being willing participants instead of forced into the damned trade for the cash, or worse. It's a broad brush to paint with but in my opinion, if you find that kind of intolerable dialogue in American porn, there's a stupidly high chance you're not looking at 100% willing participants. If you view amateur stuff and speciality-kink material, you only ever hear that kind of 'porno talk' from people that are into it, and that automatically elevates it because you're watching people actually enjoying what they're doing. They might even be better at it! And even better, you aren't watching people get coerced into producing porn.

And for hentai, if the artists are also into the depicted kink, they also know exactly what makes that kink tick. For drawn art, the benefit is obvious. I don't think that has any bearing on OVAs and the related voice actors, though... but I won't lie, I don't care for those at all so I don't know much there.


...I promise I'll get rid of that soapbox.



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Posted on: 01/12/21 04:14AM

laura.loli said:
Also add in that the vast majority of "lesbian" porn in the west is made for men, not actual lesbians. I believe the thinking is that lesbians don't like to watch porn, but that's largely because it's nearly all made for men... Catch-22.

That's true. To get past that, you used to basically just look up amateur stuff or read something and that's not always convenient.


supremz said:
There really needs to be more porn for women of every sexual orientation, but once money is involved, we all know where that will take us... The porn industry is already suffering the way it is, both from the inside and out.

I mean, nobody lighting a crucifix ever stopped men from fucking each other on screen, so it can't be homophobia, right?


Considering just how awful things are behind the scene's, the porn industry has it coming. Typical procedure is to get some young person to sign a long contract where they'll get a portion of the video/streaming sales, then the producers use their own sites to pirate their own videos and make money from advertisements. Pornhub is particularly bad about that one, which is why I don't buy the "We're actually pretty good guys" nonsense they've been doing there last few years on youtube. There's a chance they don't want too much attention from female viewers because they know women are much more likely to raise a stink when it turns out people are being treated even worse than in hollywood some 40 years ago. Come to think of it, didn't they get in trouble for the sheer amount of underage videos recently?

supremz said:
What about The L Word?


Oh yeah, that show. I did watch it late in it's first run and it did get pretty steamy, but I remember it as being long winded as hell and people talking unnaturally. It seems to me it was notable mostly for the fact they tried to cater to a female gay demographic at all, with mostly women running the show even (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_L_Word) Which was insanely impressive in '04 and deserves credit for it, but the show got really pretentious with people verbalizing they're feelings and a lack of subtly. I also felt they wasted the amazing Pam Grier a bit too. In fact, I'd go as far as to say you could tell how annoying a character was going to be by how brown they were.

Granted, I was school-aged at the time so I might have been impatient with it since I had to sneak off to watch it and hope to God my parents/siblings didn't catch me. Before anyone brings it up, I don't remember Queer as Folk too fondly as well. Yuri/yaoi/josei/bara just did all that stuff better from an entertainment standpoint, even if bara is a bit weird even by hentai standards.

Assjacket said:
The same applies to yaoi being 90% fujoshi pandering.

Well, of course: It was made by women for women. If you wanted the inversion, you'd look for Bara stuff. I personally find it hilarious how out of touch some can get on how men act.

pugsaremydrugs said:
fujoshis seem to be the only ones who still enjoy bishounen


Straight guys in Japan see them as a masculine ideal option. Here in the US, I feel like they're liked by a subset of guys too, they just don't want to admit it for cultural reasons.



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Posted on: 01/12/21 09:11AM

Assjacket said:
The same applies to yaoi being 90% fujoshi pandering. I don't even think I've ever seen a yaoi VN thats not an otome game, although I don't consume it personally.

That's because yaoi aimed at men is called bara or simply gay.



laura.loli - Group: Unofficial Gardener's Guild - Total Posts: 350
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Posted on: 01/12/21 01:40PM

Cypress_Cat said:
That's true. To get past that, you used to basically just look up amateur stuff or read something and that's not always convenient.

Depends on the person really, I actually prefer still images and loli doujin/manga over animated hentai or porn videos. I also will look through my images until I find out that looks really good to me that day and write a story around it. I'm pretty much into mental imagery over real imagery basically.

Cypress_Cat said:Come to think of it, didn't they get in trouble for the sheer amount of underage videos recently?

There was some underage stuff, but the biggest problem was the sheer amount of videos that were of actual rapes, not role-play ones, as well as a lot of revenge porn. After all the revelations came out about how GirlsDoPorn had coerced or even forced most of the women to star in their porn videos, PornHub kept those videos up for months and months. (IIRC, even past the point where some of the women had won their lawsuits against GirlsDoPorn, showing that their accusations were true.) There was at least one woman with underage videos of her on PornHub who tried repeatedly to get them to take the videos of her down, but they never did until everything blew up on them.

So now all porn sites have to deal with the fallout because PornHub was a bunch of assholes.



supremz - Group: Member - Total Posts: 1604
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Posted on: 01/12/21 03:24PM

AssJacket said:
...yaoi being 90% fujoshi pandering.


pugsaremydrugs said:
fujoshis seem to be the only ones who still enjoy bishounen, so i'd happily hand it to them.


On the subject of bishōnen, they may be an old stock character now, but that doesn't mean the appeal is fading. Maybe there are just fewer unique examples to go by since inserting one into a series automatically makes the ratings soar among fangirls, even if their personalities are bland.

Cypress_Cat said:
Granted, I was school-aged at the time so I might have been impatient with it since I had to sneak off to watch it and hope to God my parents/siblings didn't catch me.

Ah... youth. ^_^ Can I make fanart of you as a schoolgirl? Heeheehee!



pugsaremydrugs - Group: Unofficial Gardener's Guild - Total Posts: 980
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Posted on: 01/12/21 03:37PM

supremz said:
On the subject of bishōnen, they may be an old stock character now, but that doesn't mean the appeal is fading. Maybe there are just fewer unique examples to go by since inserting one into a series automatically makes the ratings soar among fangirls, even if their personalities are bland.

It's mainly that "pretty boys" are replaced by traps/femboys. Pretty boys without the quotations still exist, they just seem to come around on accident. Or perhaps this isn't a new phenomenon at all and I'm raging for no reason. Probably that.



supremz - Group: Member - Total Posts: 1604
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Posted on: 01/12/21 03:54PM

Do women like manly men or are they too muscular and hairy? I ask this because my experience is that most of them are super turned on when guys share their beauty traits, yet many heterosexual males still cling to the classic "macho" image, thinking that will get them laid. Is this just projecting on their part? Because it seems like, if you actually went and asked a girl what she found attractive (imagine that!), you would think that the stereotypical muscular jock is more like a fetish. Then again, a lot of them bear resemblances to gay bears, so it may attract more of the same sex than the opposite. I hear they're into that.

As someone who has a little of both the pretty boy and tough guy traits in his genetic makeup, I guess there has been a little of both that has appealed to my partners in the past, but I have to say, there are still others who were considered more attractive than me, and they looked a lot like women.

I personally find it hilarious how out of touch some can get on how men act.

Ahahahaha XD Basically, this. :3



Cypress_Cat - Group: Member - Total Posts: 651
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Posted on: 01/12/21 05:02PM

supremz said:
Do women like manly men or are they too muscular and hairy? I ask this because my experience is that most of them are super turned on when guys share their beauty traits, yet many heterosexual males still cling to the classic "macho" image, thinking that will get them laid. Is this just projecting on their part? Because it seems like, if you actually went and asked a girl what she found attractive (imagine that!), you would think that the stereotypical muscular jock is more like a fetish.


Long ago, back when cracked.com didn't suck ass, I read that while men tend to have similar taste in women, women's taste seem to be all over the place. I remember thinking, "Yeah, that sounds about right" from my own experiences and what I saw on TV and the like. Then a friend of mine pointed out how they're a bunch of perfectly attractive men who go after chubby women or how both short and tall girls seem to get attention for those very traits and I knew he was right: Men seems to like all sorts of fucking women and I see that everyday. I think "fetish" just means "too niche for the lowest common denominator" as people as a general rule like a wide variety of things and what's the most common traits people want depends on the local culture. Hunky beefcakes or willowy pretty boy is kind of the cliche people say to one another, it's generally never that one element that wins the day. Pick a stereotype you can vaguely fit for the confidence and then be the best you can be. :)

Or if that is too mushy for: In the country, slim and sophisticated works because they're rarer and seem richer since you don't look like you work a field and have time to learn culture; In the city, beefy and a beard works (shaving the chest is extra credit) because they're rarer and seem richer since you have time and money to workout at a gym. Those aren't hard rules, but there you go.



supremz - Group: Member - Total Posts: 1604
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Posted on: 01/12/21 05:21PM

Funny you say all that, because porn doesn't reflect that at all. You'd think guys just like big breasts and butts. I never once consciously considered height, but now that you mention it, there is something to that. I've been called a chubby chaser before. XP



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